Help i dont knowe anything...:)

As some off you knowe i been power lvl my pala in to service its going great 6 lvl 3 days and if everything goes as plan i will ding 80 today...

Now in all the focusing on lvl i forgot i dont knowe a thing about healing or tanking (which are the builds im going for). Ofc i knowe i need to read up on it by myself and also learn as i play, but any form of edvice or "crash course" any of you might give me would be apprisiated...

For bouth Holy and Prot builds im thinking many of

- What is the main stat or stats to go for and is there any caps to be aware of? (Bouth Holy and Prot)
- Any Rotations to knowe of? (Bouth Holy and Prot)
- Any important or good addons to have? (Bouth Holy and Prot)
- Any main "nuke" or main "spam" spell/hit to knowe of or use? (Bouth Holy and Prot)

Stuff like glyphs and Builds are easy to find and also something to learn as i go along but again any edvice is welcomme.... Please also fell free to point out anything ells you feel is important that i have overlookt...

As i said any edvice you have would be appriciated.. Also please post any good sites you knowe of that deals whit Pala Healing/Tanking....

The advice I can give is mainly about tanking as I have never tried pala healing before..

First of all; 2 sites to read up on:

Tanking manual for Protection Paladins:
http://elitistjerks.com/f76/t37172-protection_paladin_field_manual_wow_3_0_wotlk/

Shopping List for heroic tanking:
http://www.tanklikeagirl.com/2008/12/02/wotlk-shopping-list-for-prot-warriors

You should read up on the shoppinglist right as some of the items comes from quests! I can make all the bs stuff for you if get me mats and also the JC items if Lea doesn't have them and you don't wanna "waste" JC tokens

Glyph-wise I would strongly recommend Glyph of Righteous Defense and Glyph of Divine Plea
Both glyphs are must-haves for a tanking paladin imo!
On my pala I also have these glyphs:

• Judgement
  
• Sense Undead
  
• Lay On Hands
  
• Blessing of Kings

But from what I've seen the pala tank glyphs are quiet different from each pala except for the first 2 i mentioned..

You always have Righteous Fury activated as it creates massive threat from your holy spells this probably makes Concecrate your most important ability as it does AOE holy dmg to all mobs around you.

Also like any other class/role it's good to have some sort of rotation for your tanking. I got my tanking rotation from Temple, but since he's on vacation (I think) then I will post it here also. Pull with either Avenger's shield or Hand of Reckoning and then concecrate right from start. After that the rotation for me goes like this:
1) Hammer of the Righteous
2) Judgement of Wisdom
3) Shield of Righteousness
4) Concecrate
5) Hammer of the Righteous
6) Holy Shield
7) Shield of Righteousness
Judgement of Wisdom
9) Hammer of the Righteous
10) Concecrate
11) Shield of Righteousness
12) Holy Shield

Just put it up in that order on an actionbar Of course you could change Judgement of Wisdom with Judgement of Light.. I just found the mana gains from wisdom more useful than the health regeneration since all the healers in Doomed Riders are so nice!
When mobs are low you can always finish of with Hammer of Wrath - Holy damage. If you're fighting undead mobs (AN, Ahn-kahet, Naxx) Holy wrath is also nice; It does holy aoe damage and stuns all undead and demons around you for 2 seconds.

Think that's pretty much what I can tell you now.. I'm sure Sil can add up on some of the things though

As far as tanking is concerned have a look at this site.

http://www.tankadin.com/

http://www.tankadin.com/forum/index.php?topic=831.0

About general tanking from my point of view.

Put blessing of sanctuary on you, it reduces damage as well as giving mana back to help you not go oom. Use seal of vengeance to tank, the added dps will help keep agro if agro is not needed then you can use any of the other seals. Always have Righteous fury on. Use ret aura on trash, it helps with agro, on bosses you might want to change to devotion aura, unless agro is a problem then keep ret aura on. Get the glyph of Divine plea it is almost a must and keep divine plea on you for the added damage reduction. I also have sacred shield on me when tanking if there is no pally healer in the group to help reduce damage. Main focus should be to get to 540 defense, after that start staking stam and other avoidance.

For tanking basically follow the 96969 rotation consisitng of
9 Holy shield, Hudgement, concecration.
6 HOTR, SHOR.

ex. Shield Pull...Holy Shield...SoR...Judge...HotR...Consecrate.

As far as holy is concerned. I am also still learning that, will look into it and psot more ideaas. I know int is the most important stat, then crit.
This is something to look at for healing http://www.holypaladin.net/

Ok Berg jumped in before I could post , and nope he sums it up very very nicely and not to much for me to add on.

Thx alot i think i got some ide now i just need to read up on the sights you posted as well...

Only 1 clarification. Sil you mentiond "avoidance" by that i guess you meen dodge and parry or are ther others? Also so you meen it dosent realy matter what avoidance you stack? and if so do they convert in the same ratio? (Like for instant 1% crit is 46 point in crit whils 1% hit is 33 points in hit thuse 1 point in hit is more worth then 1 point in crit).

How important is Hit? To keep aggro i meen?

One last over all question.... How mutch HP, defence and avoidance do i need to be able to tank the Easy HC like UK, Nexus etc and then again how mutch for the harder ones like UP (hehe i have my eye on a sertain sword... )

The same goes for Healing HC... How mutch mana, critt, SP do i need to ba able to heal...?

I see the tanking links i posted is a bit outdated. Use the elitestjerks one from Berg, has a lot of info.

First make sure you get to at least 535 def before going into HC's The craftable saronite set will get you high on defense at a reasonable price.

Avoidance: Dodge 45.25 rating = +1%
Parry 45.25 rating = +1%
Block 16.29 = +1% chance to block
Defense 25 defense will give 1% avoidance to each of the above.

After you have min def 540, I would suggest work on dodge and extra def first. Parry is not that good so don't focus in that apart from what you get from your gear. Block is cheap and easily stackable, but seeing as you are only minimizing damage you are still getting hit rather than avoiding it completely.

In my opinion hit is not that important than for other melee classes. Threat should be ok, take what ever you get in gear but don't gem or enchant for it.
You get extra hit and expertise from talents so you should be ok there.
Expertise is nice for tanks and i would say more important than hit, seeing as it minimize the chance that enemies will dodge or parry your attacks but again don't gem for it, but take it if it comes from gear.

I have been told that VH, Nexus, UP and UK are some of the easiest HC's to start off with. I cant remember what the starting hp needs to be, but I would say aim for around 22k hp and at least 535 def. Maybe you will be able to do it with 20k hp, but make sure you have the def. The other HC's might be hard at first but with the right group should be fine.

Healing i will have to find and get back to you.

About the Sanctuary buff:

I read somewhere (Can't remember where ofc) that BoS only reduces dmg by 3% where BoK's 10% increased stats should reduces all dmg approximately 8%. Meaning that if you have no problem keeping mana, BoK should actually be better.. I have spent talent point in Divine plea refreshing that spell everytime i do a melee hit = My mana lasts almost forever. That's why I use BoK instead of BoS.

But keep in mind that Sil probably have a lot more experience than me on this area

I think it is just a matter of personal preference. There is nothing conclusive on which one is better. If you are not having mana issues then BOK would probably be better.

With patch 3.2 coming out they are putting a 10% sta increase into BOS.

Silahco wrote:I think it is just a matter of personal preference. There is nothing conclusive on which one is better. If you are not having mana issues then BOK would probably be better.

With patch 3.2 coming out they are putting a 10% sta increase into BOS.

Oh, didnt know that.. BoS will probably be my preferred also by then

Thx alot mates... So this is whats gona happen i have already bouth, crafted, ninjad my starting healing gear.... Tonight i will do the same whit my tanking gear.... THEN its of to some HC (Maybee one regula just to warm up) and i hope that after 7-8 whipes you will still be suportive of my new choose of Class and spec...

But, but tanking is not that hard to do, just make sure your def is high enough and you have some gear, then it is all up to the poor healer at the back to spam his butt off trying to keep you alive. and if you wipe blame him for not healing fast enough hehe. Just kidding about blaming the healer, you will do fine on tanking.

Hehe yeah and i accualy cant wait to spam Tesh favorit command "DPS harder" or "More DPS"....

Any healer out ther Plz feel free ro give me advice on healing... stats, rotation, caps, addons anything...

Leannah wrote:Any healer out ther Plz feel free ro give me advice on healing... stats, rotation, caps, addons anything...

Talking from a resto shaman's pov, I have been playing for a long time, but some things are the same for all healing classes imho, i wouldn't say anything about rotations or addons. All i can say is:

a) learn to know the average amount yuor healing spells are going to heal yuor target(s), so yuo can use the appropriate one each time;
b) use yuor brain;
c) learn the fight from a healer's PoV: try to learn precasting the appropriate spell on predictable damage incoming on Tanks/raid so you are not reacting to damage but preventing it to hurt;
c) be ready to react quickly;
d) only addon really useful, i'd say necessary, is a raid mod which let yuo easily see everyone's HP, Mana and Debuffs. I personally use perfect raid becaus it's quite light on PC demands and my hardware is obsolete and wouldn't probably stand anything heavier.

Most of all: just practice it and you'll learn enough.

Have a good time

Serjo

Serjo wrote:b) use yuor brain

Well i guess its back to DPS for well it was fun to lvl it at least...

Hehe all kidding aside... Thx alot for the input Serjo... I kan see what you meen about Preamtive healing so to say and also knowing you spells....
I Healed Nexus last night and i wount say it went perfect but i felt i learns alot.... 2 things in periculat, Heal yourself and unlike DPS you dont have to spam spells all the time...

I also felt that my main fear, being OOM, never realy happend but i was a little disepointed about the amount of healing i manage to put out. Although its abit early to tell after 1 HC but i think im gona socket and enchant a bit more towardes SP and Crit to get up my amount heald for eatch spell....

Also, whit the help of Elv, i manage to make myself a nice tanking sett... I havent spect for it jett but just putting the gear on in healing spec i got 505 in defence and that is whitout enchants and sockets or socket bonuses so i think hitting 540 wount be a problem... Also i don knowe if there is any talant that gives more in defence thats why i wait to socket everything....

So all and all i think im acceptible geard bouth as healer and Tank although i have alot to learn.... and still much gearing up to do before harder HC and raids... Although regarding healing i have a fealing healing raids can in some cases be easier then healing HC sins you often are 3 healers and also sins pala healer often are asigned Spam healing duty... Although i have a sneaking suspition i will have to eat thouse words....

SO to reiterait Its fun sins it was some time ago i accualy was nervous going in to HC... so im defelently rdy for some tanking/Healing although sins you now get Emblems of conquest in HC instead of emblems of Heroism i think i have some HC grinding to do whit Lea as well. After all she is my main and gearing her up for ulduar is prio one...

Just want to say you did great healing last nite in nex Lea.

Firstly if memory serves me right there is no talents that increase def, only dodge and parry. Just try and get to 535def to start of and then you will be ok from there till you go raiding.

Some ideas and input on pally healing and considering I am also only starting out in it so i might be wrong on certain things.

The main thing to stack for pallys are int from what i have read, we benefit a lot from int in all areas, second i would say get crit but seeing as you are getting crit and mana from int, rather just stack int. We also get a 20% increase in SP from int via talents.

Pallys are best suited for single target healing and keeping groups up that take damage is not easy. Raid healing is much easier like you said, cause you normally only spaming the tank.

Once you get your mana pool up high I would say Holy light is the spell to use most often, with talents the next spell gets a .5sec casting reduction time and it gives the best effective healing from spell power. But for now i would say Flash of light is maybe better suited till your mana pool is built up more. With the new patch FOL also got a heal over time if the target has sacred shield effect up, so keep sacred shield up on the tank, sacred shield also gives a increase in your FOL crit chance by 50% for 6sec. The more crits you get the more mana you have :-)

Use avenging wrath when ever it is off cooldown, it gives a 20% increase in healing, and is a nice bonus when needed.

Use your Divine plea when ever you get a chance out of combat to full up your mana if you need mana, but don't use it in battle cause of the healing penalty from it.

I would say keep seal of wisdom and Use judgement of wisdom on the target at all times. it helps with mana aswell as you are getting a haste bonus from talents.

As far as beacon of light is concerned, i seldom put it on the main tank. From what i have read use BOL in the following ways.

1) Two tanks standing near each who are both taking regular damage: This is one of the most ideal situations for Beacon of Light effectiveness. You will want to cast it on the tank you are not healing and then just heal your assigned tank like normal, essentially giving free heals to the other tank.
2) One tank in range and heavy raid damage: In 25mans you will want to just cast Beacon of Light on a yourself (or another raid member) and just heal the tank like normal. While you might be tempted to just Beacon the tank and raid heal, in my opinion it is not worth the risk. In 10 mans though that can be a very viable strategy, because of the reduced chance of other healers "sniping" your heal, and the reduced damage the tank receives. Remeber though, to watch your tanks health like a hawk they will probably still need some direct heals depending on the fight.
3) One tank in range and minimal raid damage: This might be one of those times where it is just not worth casting Beacon of Light. Fights like this don't occur all that often, and when they do they are normally easy, so don't worry about it too much.

I most have mist your lates post Sil this is golden... Now i fell i can heal as well....

I will probbly start playing Nizzo more sone sins i think i have what emblems i need on Lea (depending how long it will take me to get the headgear from ToC). Other then that i only need the head and shose fron ToC...

Grim could ofc need some gear as well but i think this is a golden opertunaty to gear up My tank/healer to competative raid Tanking/Healing.... But then again we have some mages already and a hunter could be good for raids...

Anyhow One tanking question. How do i get up HP do i just keep stacking Stamina on enchants and gems? I accualy got some attitued that i was not good enough to tank ToC regular whit 24 K..... Although i prove them wrong... So what is the "accaptible" amount of HP for HC in say a PUG whitout getting any "attitude" (ofc it will depend)?